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้ใใใใ ใจ ้ใ้ใใ ใฏใฉใ้ใใพใใ๏ผ่ชฌๆใ้ฃใใๅ ดๅใฏใไพๆใๆใใฆไธใใใ
้ใใใใ ใจ ้ใ้ใใ ใฏใฉใ้ใใพใใ๏ผ่ชฌๆใ้ฃใใๅ ดๅใฏใไพๆใๆใใฆไธใใใ
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@Aeroware:
I think ....ใใใใใใ
้ใ้ใใ means "to pass the place" .ใใใ
้ใใใใ means like "to get just to the place on the way to somewhere and usually not to intend to stop the place" .
ใใฎๅ็ญใฏๅฝนใซ็ซใกใพใใใ๏ผ
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้ใใใใใฎ่ชฌๆใฎๆนใ้ใใชใใฃใฆใใพใใพใใโฆ
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ไพใใฐใAๅฐ็นใใBๅฐ็นใพใง็งปๅไธญใซใCๅฐ็นใ้ใใพใใใใใฎCๅฐ็นใฎใกใใใฉๅดใ้ใฃใฆใใใใฃใฆ่จใใใใชๆๅณใงใใญใ
ใใฎๅ็ญใฏๅฝนใซ็ซใกใพใใใ๏ผ
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Maybe , it is similar to a phrase "happen to pass by".
ใใฎๅ็ญใฏๅฝนใซ็ซใกใพใใใ๏ผ
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So it's about the same, but ้ใใใใใจใฏ has an unintentional nuance to it while ้ใ้ใใ is more neutral?
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Probably you are almost right . ้ใ้ใใ is "just pass the place"ใ
้ใใใใ emphasizes the point in time.
ใใฎๅ็ญใฏๅฝนใซ็ซใกใพใใใ๏ผ
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Usually it is used as ้ใใใใๆ or ้ใใใใฃใ็ฌ้ .
ใใฎๅ็ญใฏๅฝนใซ็ซใกใพใใใ๏ผ
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so does it usually describe passing by something significant? like a temple or a festival or accident something that seems interesting or unusual?
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It is not something significant . Although I am not sure , is it "passing by" ?
ใใฎๅ็ญใฏๅฝนใซ็ซใกใพใใใ๏ผ
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yeah, looking in the dictionary, ้ใ้ใใ means to pass through/by and ้ใใใใ means to happen to pass by. ็กไฝ็บใชๆใใฟใใใงใใญ
้ๅปใฎใณใกใณใใ่ชญใฟ่พผใ
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ๅถ็ถๆงใใฎใใใไธ็ทใชใใใใชใใใจๆใใพใใใ้ใใใใใใไฝฟใๆใฏๅคงๆตใๅถ็ถใใฃใฆ่จใ่จ่ใ่ฃใไบใๅคใใจๆใใฎใง็ตๆ็ใซๅใใใใชๆๅณใซใชใใจๆใใใงใใใฉใไพใใฐใใใใใ้ใใใใฃใๆใๅถ็ถๅฝผๅฅณใซๅบไผใฃใใใใใจๅถ็ถๆงใ็กใไพใงใฏใใใใฎๅๅบ่กใ้ใใใใใจใใคใ้ใใฎๆฏ่ฒใ็ฎใซๅ
ฅใฃใฆใใใใ
ใใใชๆใใงใใใฉใกใใ "happen to pass by" ใงไฝฟใใพใใ๏ผ
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ใใใใใใจๅคใซใชใใจๆใใพใใใใใฆใ้ใใใใใฎไปฃใใใซ้ใ้ใใใฃใฆ็ฝฎใใใใใฅใขใณในใๅคใใใจๆใใพใใ๏ผ
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็ฝฎใๆใใใจใใใฅใขใณในใๅคงๅๅคใใใจๆใใพใใไพใใฐใใใฃใใใใไพใง่จใใจใใ ใใฎๅๅบ่กใ้ใใใใใจใใคใ้ใใฎๆฏ่ฒใ็ฎใซๅ ฅใฃใฆใใ ใใ ใจใใฎๅๅบ่กใฎๅ ฅใๅฃไป่ฟใงๆฏๆฐใ็ฎใซๅ ฅใฃใฆใใๆใใงใใญใใ ใใฎๅๅบ่กใ้ใ้ใใใจใใคใ้ใใฎๆฏ่ฒใ็ฎใซๅ ฅใฃใฆใใ ใใฎๅ ดๅใฏใใใฎๅๅบ่กใฎๅบๅฃไป่ฟใงๆฏ่ฒใ็ฎใซๅ ฅใฃใฆใใๆใใงใใ
ใใฎๅ็ญใฏๅฝนใซ็ซใกใพใใใ๏ผ
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ใใฎ่ฉฑใpass by ใๅๆใซ่ฉฑใใฆใใงใใใๅฎใฏใใใๅฐใ้ๅๆใใใใใชใby ใ ใจใใใๅดใใฃใฆๆๅณใซใชใใจๆใใใงใใใใไธใฎไบใคใฎๆ็ซ ใงใฏใใใฎไบใฏๆ่จใใฆ็กใใใงใใใใ ใใใๅๅบ่กใฎไธญใ้ใใฎใๅดใ้ใใฎใใฏใไธใฎๆ็ซ ใ ใใงใฏๅคๆญๅบๆฅใพใใใใใใงใๆๅ by ใฏไปใใใซ pass ใ ใใซใใฆใพใใใ
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ฅใๅฃใจๅบๅฃใฎใฟใใใงใใๆฅๅธธไผ่ฉฑใง้ใใฏไฝใ ใไธๅคงๅใฟใใใใใใใจใใใใใพใ๏ผ
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ไปๅฐใ้ ญใๆด็ใใฆใฟใฆๆใฃใใฎใใใ้ใใใใฏๅ่ฉใ ใใฉ over ใฎใใใช้ฐๅฒๆฐใใใใใชใไพใใฐใ่กใ้ใใใใใ้ใใใใฎๅ ดๅใไบๅฎใใฆใใใใใใใๅคใไฝใใใใฆใใพใๆใใงใใ ใใใใใใฏใใใๅ่ฉใงใใ้ๅงใใใ start ใจใใๆใใใ hang ใฎใใใชใคใกใผใธใใใใพใใญใ่ชฌๆใ้ฃใใใฉใใใใใใ start ใจ hang ใฏไฝใๅฐใไผผใใใใชใคใกใผใธใใใใใใใใใใฎใใช๏ผใ๏ผไปๆใใ๏ผ ใใใใใใฎๆๅณใฏใไฝใใๅงใใใ ใใไฝใใๅงใใฆใใฎ้ไธญใงใใใใงใใ
ใใฎๅ็ญใฏๅฝนใซ็ซใกใพใใใ๏ผ
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ใใใใโฆใใใใใใฎๅ่งฃใๆใพใใซใใใงใใใฉใ้ๅงใใใฎ้ขไฟใฏใใ่ฆใใพใใ
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ใไปๆใใใใฎใๆใใใใฏใhang ใชใใงใใใๅฃใซ็ฉใ
ใใใใใจใใไฝใชใใงใใใใญใ็งใใใๅใใใพใใใ
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